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They should not pass this bill under any conditions.

Why is it that our representatives believe they are so much smarter than we are? The message has been loud and clear, we don't want this bill! But, they know we need it and we aren't smart enough to realise it ourselves. This is incredible!!!!

No! The American people do not want this!

This bill has already been passed by the Senate! Done deal! That "reconciliation" is a ruse! The House passes it, Obamamama signs it, and we are all screwed!

This legislation is important and should not be bullied through the system. I think you will find that most Americans are in favor of reform but are concerned with how it's being done. The costs in this measure are grey at best. Obama is seeking a simple majority because he knows that most Americans object to the bill in it's current condition. He wants to give the democrats that are coming up for re-election in November a way to vote "NO" on the bill and still have it pass. He dosen't want any of the main portions of the bill to take effect until after his re-election bid. He knows that if taxes have to be increased that it will go against him so he wants to wait until after he's re-elected.

No!! 70 percent of the American People do not want this bill.Call your senators.
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Absolutely not!! They know perfectly well that the public does not want this as it stands.

This legislation should absolutely be passed with a simple majority. The Republican minority is crying foul now, but they used this approach to pass the tax cut. And the Democrates whined then. These folks are supposed to be grownups; they act like five-year-olds.

Go the Parliamenary reconciliation route by all means. Anything...absolutely anything to knock the party of "NO" to everything the president proposes off their sore-loser high horse. The legislation while far from perfect is at least a start.

What happened to the stat that most Americans were still happy with their health insurance?????????????????

This is an absolute abomination of power, that they will resort to such lengths, when the vast majority of the American Public are so adamantly against the structure and content of a bill. As representatives of the people they need to uphold their oath to support their constituents views instead of all the special interest groups or an Administration that publicly proclaims, “We don’t care what the American Tax Payer wants; we know what is best.

Until the supporter of this bill feel comfortable enough with the project, that they will wholly participate with their families; they need to go back and start over. When the President and all backers of the Health reform are mandated to participate only in their new system should it be foisted on those they are there to represent!

I VOTE NO. DEM. MET BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND GAVE SOME STATES PREFFERED TREATMENT.

Absolutely not. They are trying to take control of our health care. My wife passed away and after contributing 100,000 to SS only about 9000 went to help our family. SS stopped when my daughter graduated from HS. We could have used that for college. If we had the plan the Pres. Bush suggested at least we would have had some to help with her college.
They are also taking $500 billion from medicare. They should start on controlling the stupid lawsuits which would be a no brainer start on reducing costs. That way Dr.s won't have to order extra unneeded tests to cover themselves. Gettin the illegal aliens out of the country would reduce both health care and education costs tremendously also.

Only if they, inclued everybody that signs this should also have the same health care. Even the Mr.O and the pride of calif. mrs.P

This is worse than a cheap Prostrate exam without the lube. They are trying to wipe out our Constitutional rights and force everyone to buy a product that no one wants and we will all be paying for it in the future. I suppose that if there is a small nick in the intestine then we all get infected, have major complications and die. Contact your Representatives and let them know how you feel. November is comming sooner than they think. Obama is a ONE TERM President. Pray for this.

I feel that the people have spoken. We do not want the Gov. giving out health care.
It is like everything else. Health Care Insurance is a priority. Maybe they can not afford it because they have a boat payment or a big new car. I don't think it is right to use tax payer's $$$$ to buy people health care insurance. They can afford to get nails done, have cell phones with all kinds of gadgets but can not give their children $$$ for lunch, or breakfast or provide them with health care insurance. I am over taking care of everyone just because!!!
It is like children coming to school with no breakfast or lunch. My mom worked and she always fed us breakfast before she went to work and packed lunches. She and my Dad had 4 children!!!

I have been watching this for a while. The Healthcare Bill is being pushed down the American people throat. I have yet to here from anyone that is in favor of it. Or at least the general public. When I think of my daughter, head trama, no Ins., can't get Ins. I still don't want, or need, someone making a Bill that will make it harder on her. She will have to buy Ins., whether she can afford it or not. I don't think it's in the best interest for the American PEOPLE.

No, this or any other bill should never be passed this way. LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE... wow, what a concept, too bad America has forgotten this.

The whole system is corrupt and passing a law that states you must buy insurance for yourself is a step toward socialism. If you can't afford to buy insurance, how can you afford the fines? Hmmm let's jail all of those poor people, they'll be better off!

one cent -HELL Two cents - NO !!!!!!!!!

NO !! It is absolutely the incorrect action to take. Tha majority of the American public do not want the health care reform, the government has no right to get into health care (add to that the automobile or banking business).

THIS IS WHY I LOST MY JOB COMPANY CAN NOT PAYING HIGH COST INSURANCE FOR THEY WORKER BUT LET THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE IT THEN LOOSE IT SEE WHAT IT LIKE WHEN YOU CAN'TGET INSURANCE WHEN YOU HAVE A PRECONDITION

No,they should all use the same medical system we use without changing it. MEDICRE for all.

BO's Health Care Reform Bill is ludicrus and reconcilliation or any other tactic should be out of the question...some intelligence needs to be used to create a health care bill that will actually benefit all Americans. Also, all Senators and Congressmen should also have to use any health care plan they create, the same as the rest of us.

Absolutely not. Reconciliation was developed specifically to resolve budget issues. It was intended to provide a means to reach a consensus on a budget bill that contained a multitude of spending facets that needed triming. It was never intended to be used for a single, large issue such as health care. Those proposing to use it for this purpose, should be dumped at the first opportunity.

A bill of this weight should not be passed by a simple majority. Washington would be much better off to listen to "We, The People" and start over from scratch. This bill is way too big. Health care should be reformed, but it should be done slowly. Specific issues need to be addressed one at a time instead of trying to ram through an overly complicated bill.

Republicans aren't "The party of "No"", as indicated in an earlier post. They want to see reform, just not on this scale, all at once - and I think the majority of American citizens agree with this sentiment.

Obamacare is just another entitlement program that the Democrats hope will garner more support for them as they continue to "Buy the people off". The more citizens that are dependent upon the government, the better off the Democratic party will be.

I am a hard-working American. I pay my mortgage. I pay my bills. I visited the emergency room twice in the last month due to my wife's miscarriage and my son's seizure two weeks later. Each time, my current health insurance took care of me. I paid a $150.00 copay and I'm happy with that. Leave my health insurance alone!

"Simple Majority" written by Bill above...you got that wrong, when you said the nuclear option has been used before, by the Repubs to pass a tax cut. No, it has never been used. It has been theorized about only in the 1900's, then threatened in the '90's but defeated then. The trouble is it is not a tactic like a filibuster or a cloture vote to jump a hurdle about one bill...it is a way to change the centuries-old Senate rules by a tactic that defeats all precedent by the rule of one presiding officer (e.g., the vice president of the US) in cooperation with a simple majority of the members.
See this bit from Wikipedia about the drastic nature of it:
"The effect of the nuclear option is not limited to the single question under consideration, as it would be in a cloture vote. Rather, the nuclear option effects a change in the operational rules of the Senate, so that the filibuster or dilatory tactic would thereafter be barred by the new precedent."
I hope our lawmakers resist again this nuclear option tactic, like the Dems did successfully last time it came up.

They should not use reconciliation. However, they should not have to resort to this tatic. There is no reason any bill should be required to have a 60 vote super-majority to pass. That is not what the founding fathers intended.

As for Government health-care, there has never been anything in the bill that would create a Government health care system (socialized medicine). There was at one time a proposal for a Government health insurance company (the so-called public option). That may still pass, depending on which version (if any) passes.

Both parties need to move toward the center. That's where the vast majority of Americans sit politically. The Republicans are way to far to the right and the Democrats are way to far to the left. It is no wonder that nothing is getting done in Washington.

I can't WAIT til November. Been a Democrat for over 50 years. It's time for a change. If I have a choice, I'll take the insurance the senators and representatives have. There must be soooooo much money in this that they can't stand it. Follow the money trail. But doesn't it make sense? Here come the baby boomers. Medicare and Medicaid will be stretched to the limits. The government needs to cull the herd. What better way than to take control of health care and delay or deny medical procedures that may save lives. We need to look at the big picture.

Who is behind this "blog"? It is statistically impossible everyone blogged that they are against reconciliation (even the word sounds so tyranncial) and are opposed to a bill that would help prevent the continued gouging of the American public by corporate profiteers. OF COURSE we should use reconciliation (more a Republic Party tactic than the other way around) and OF COURSE we need this bill to pass!!!

No, our Country is already bankrupt, if things are not reversed a total collapse is eminent.
Stop the spending, cut the taxes, get rid of the politicians that got us here, elect people with honesty, common sense, wisdom and a love for Freedom and the Constitution.
It is not to late but very close.
Americans must wake up and return to our roots, including finding our Soul again. We must take our Country back or healthcare will be the least of our problems.

Don't know why I even bother responding. Sounds like most of you folks are too stupid to know when you are being screwed. Just listen to the republicans and you can believe they will help you out but if you read, if you can read, you'll find out that the only responsible social programs were instituted by , dare I say, liberal democrats. Its too bad that this country is screwed because of a small minded, hypocrites. This country was ruined by idiots like bush and cheney and anyone who supports their ilk. This financial mess was created by GWB, in case you forgot. Tax cuts for the 1% and 2 wars that we can't get out of. Yes, vote for the republicans, at least you will be guaranteed to know what you will get----SCREWED !!!!

hell no or there will be a bunch going home

I does seem statistically impossible for everyone to say no, but that's because its so easy to say NO. It takes guts and for site to push for change and advancement. Social Security, medicare, civil rights did not just pass by unanimous votes, Democrats had to push like hell to get them through.

Most Americans have insurance and a lot may be content with it, so they fear change. Who cares about the little guy who can't afford it or the sick people who get dropped. Or even the old people, Oh wait... they are already on the GOVERNMET RUN healthcare plan that's one of the best in the world! Just look at life expectancy rates in America since Medicare was started.

America needs healthcae reform!!

No. No. Listen to the American people. Do we not have a say in anything anymore? We pay more, more taxes all the time, honest hard working Americans and then we are told what we have to do.

I don't know about the rest of you but for my part I just want to see a "VACANCY" sign hanging on the front door of the White House.
I swear I thought that I heard: "The will of the people---?" Well, that means absolutely nothing to the current leadership. Obama is making himself a Dictator, and we are sitting on our asses letting it happen!
I don't know what to do to slow it down short of breaking some kind of law??? He has already demonstrated his total disregard for our rights, our constitutional procedures, and our principals, plus disallowing the faith of the nation. How much more are we going to allow??? Somewhere along the way we must stand and take the reins out of that 'Illegal Alien's' hands. He's an imposter, a usurper, and is not even a citizen of the United States of America... Unless he can prove otherwise???
Let's fire that sucker. Out of a cannon!

We need to reform health care, but this bill doesn't solve the real cost issues. The special deals to states are sick. Pull the plug and start over.

Wow, all this makes my head spin. Insurance costs are outrageous for small businesses to begin with. Will I have to buy it for my employees too? What an incentive to hire more people.

This hole idea of forcing these kind of decisions on the people is outrageous. We are truly moving to socialism. Just look at the last 110 years of history for Brazil!

I too have a son with head trauma.
Insurance has been telling us for months what they will pay for. Recently tried to put him into a Skilled Nursing Facility. No focus on recovery. God only know what the next 50 - 60 years of his life will be like with Government Sanctioned Insurance.

Congress should be forced to use what the People Use. Especially if they force it..

The people have spoken. I believe this is true as I have not found anyone who is in favor of this Bill. Not regular people, nor people in the medical profession. In fact I find that many of the best facilities do not take medicare. What does that tell you...

So basically unless you:
A) are rich and can afford to pay cash for services

OR

B) are in Congress (Obviously better than the people, Remember their Insurance)

We the people are going to get substandard care..

Wow... This is the stuff Revolutions are made of.

What is the difference between taxation without representation and taxation without our Representatives listening to the people? I guess we can vote them out after the damage is done..

YES ! We need this to create work & take care of the people that do the work.

Absolutely pass this bill anyway possible, there are too many people in dire need for this bill. It is needed and wanted by everyone that I know in the state of PA.
It is the right thing to do.

Our government was not set up to do this. This is such an important bill that it must be done right if the people of this great country are going to get behind it. If not then we can always attack our government, throw them out of office, and start all over again. No government has the right to take my freedom away from me!!!!! Once a government quits listening to us, then it's not our government any more.

As the President and Congress do not believe this health care plan is good enough for them, why would they think it is good enough for us? When these elected officials agree to be under the same plan as the rest of us and have ALL Americans covered by this plan (NO Illegals Need apply) then I as a voter might believe they are serious about fixing this broken system. If there is going to be one system for healthcare then everybody plays.

Healthcare reform may be his most pressing issue but what the people remember now & are going to continue to remember is that he promised that his administration would be the most open. He promised that the healthcare negotiations would be on C-Span, which it is definately not.

Obama's promise for an open & above board administration has already become the equivalent of George Bush's "Read my lips, no more taxes". Therefore as long as he continues to promote HIS agenda (as opposed to the wishes of the people) and does it behind closed doors & underhandedly (unethical handouts in exchange for votes) he spells his own doom. The people will remember at the polls this Nov. & next Nov. he will be out of office along with many of his cronies.

I think this idea of health care reform is a big expensive mistake. As usual the folks who work hard for their money and still try to make end meet will foot the bill again. While people who have received welfare for years now will reap all benefits. Obama will completely break this country, leaving our country weak. No jobs, no benefits, And if I still have a job, hell why work anymore, I'm just working to support other countries and folks who collect welfare. Maybe I will just join them. They have more benefits them most working Americans!!!!

Ricky, Do you really believe that Obama, Pelosi, Reed and company are interested in benefiting the American public with their healthcare bill? Where is Tort reform in this legislation? Where is there an effort to increase the number of doctors and keep the ones we have. Where is the 'honest' effort to provide universal coverage? Why don't they want the results of any healthcare bill to apply to themselves? This is simply an effort to gain bureaucratic and political control over one sixth of the American economy. They are just following Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals. They plan to break our present form of government by overloading it, as Alinsky recommends. For them it is not about doing good; it about gaining power. Wake up before it is too late, or you will wake up one day with a Stalin, Hitler, Mao, or Mussolini in charge of your country.

I also second the motion that out Senators & Congressmen (& women)be required to adhere to the same programs that they pass for the people. NO EXCEPTIONS! Either make the program good & good enough for all or don't make the program.

Yes they should. The republicans refuse to vote bipartisan on anything. They have been given many chances to express their opinions and refuse. Do it without them for the American people. We pay them to do our will.

I wonder what part of "no" they don't understand.

In a democracy, the Minority tail should not be allowed to wag the Majority dog.

What is undemocratic is the idea that a minority -- that also happens to represent the insurance industry and other wealthy, vested interests -- can block the will of the majority.

THEY SHOULD NOT PASS THIS BILLTHIS WAY. oN A BILL THAT WOULD AFFECT ALL OF US THERE SHOULD NOT BE A DEMOCRATE OR REPUBLICAN VOTE THEY WERE ELECTED TO PASS BILLS THAT IS GOOD FOR EVERY ONE, ANDTHEY SHOULD SIT TOGETHER AND ARIVE AT A BILL THAT THEY ALL AGREE ON, NOT THAT THEY HAVE MORE VOTES THAN THE OTHER PARTER BUT THAT THIS IS THE BEST BILL FOR THE COUNTRY NOT THAT MY PARTER WON THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY GOT ELECTED FOR

Yes we need reform to the health care system. No, we do not need the Obama total reform with it's 2,600 pages of convoluted regs that include 176 new govt agencies to administer it, the convoluted method of accounting for costs (pay in for 4 years without any benefits paid out,then began dispersing benefitsin the 5th-10th year),thus; the "cost" is only 1 trillion. So...Obama what's the cost for the next 10 years??? 4 trillion!!! Dems say this gives Americans freedom to choose doctors and health plan. Right...you MUSY have insurance or befined or jailed...that's freedom! You must submit to gov't review boards to bedeemed eligble for benefits.That's freedom!
TGet with it America, Obama is a socialist and this is a socialist program. If the Dems/Obama were sincere about it being good for America, why not get the reform done in incriments? Why the big rush to eat the whole pie? PWER and CONTROL...that's why.

By the way...If you have insurance either thru your employer or individually, and you are laid off...how do you still afford health insurance under this plan? You guessed it...THE GOV'T pays (taxpayers). Today that would be 17% of 150 million workers who are unemployed or under employed who would now be receiving gov't subsidized insurance. States can't apy unemployment benefits now! So it makes sense to add this expense to unemployment benefits???? Sombody's math is BAD!

Yes. The system is failing, regardless of the fear tactics and sound bites. We need to do something, not just ignore and avoid. Since the Repulicants are against anything and everything while they aren't in power, the Demoncraps need to get the courage to do what is right, and use a tool that has been used many times, including to pass the Bush tax cuts. It's time to do the right thing, not just worry about getting elected.

Yes, reconciliation is essential. I don't know where people here got info that the American population is against major reforms. Every poll I read says the public is in favor. In fact here in Maine a majority of the people favor a public option. Our two senators are obstructionists. They represent 1/150 of the US population but have 1/50 of the vote in the Senate. I am very happy to have them overruled by reconciliation.

IF YOU OWN A HOUSE AND HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE AND TAXES FROM PAYROLL YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO LIVE OFF OF. SAY NO

Hey "US Citizen", The Repubs are NOT against anything or everything. We ARE against this Obama plan. Repubs are in favor of incremental changes that make sense and do not cost money...notably, tort reform that is more than the token geture that Obama is currently offering. DOCTORS will tell you that a huge % of thier practice involves redundant, and defensive testing and documentation lest they get sued or lose malparactice insurance. The estimated savings for tort reform is 300,000 BILLION dollars! The change to inter-state insurance purchases would draw much more compitition in insurance rates,etc. etc.
Honestly, do you really believe that gov't-run ANYTHING is efficient and cost-effective. PLEASE show me examples. Please don't tell me Medicare is an example and please don;'t tell me Medicare is a "handout' to older Americans. They have earned it, they have contributed to it but gov't has raped all the entitlement programs.
I am 66 years old and I would love to get back the money I've paid into SS with a modest 5% return on the money I and my employer have put in. But NO...the gov't has pissed it all away!
The Obama bill is bad, the gov't oversight is a joke, and we can't afford it. Otherwise, it's a great program!

I say...we are almost a broke nation now. We cannot afford the "few pay in and the many take out" We can't trust the gov't to add this expense.
Sure close to 50% want this program but if you think about it only 30% pay federal taxes!

I thought we were a government BY THE PEOPLE, not by OBAMA

I think that a lot of business owners don't want to have to pay more money for thier emplyees to get coverage. But I also think it is an outrage that someone can live here in the united states and work every day and not be able to afford medical coverage or purchase a home. this is why the value of the dollare continues to go down. I think if you run a business with employees earning 10 or less an hour in need of medical coverage there shoud be a medical program ware a small aount comes from the employee and another small amount is payed buy the owner. And allow them to receive medical like low income families. I dont know what the bill thats being passed says, I haven't read it. So I cant give a real opinion on that. But I hope it says something similar to that. With the hope of a greater more properous America

Bush used it, so it is legal. If it is legal, it should be available to anyone. What we need to do is pray that enough Dems come to their senses and vote against the bill, so that it will fail, even using the reconciliation.
Be blessed, DT

NO! This bill makes me wonder why they work so hard to pass a bill that "WE THE PEOPLE" have said loud and clear that we don't want it. This is a

The original question was whether reconciliation should be used and the answer is that the healthcare bill has already been passed and only needs to be approved by the House and its a done deal. Reconciliation will be needed to restuff the bill with those items that the House wants to see in it, which will be decided behind closed doors as usual.

My answer is No, especially since the reconciliation process was never intended to be used this way. It was to handle budget issues. For those of you who will counter with "Well Bush used it for tax cuts", remember that taxes directly affect the budget while special deals in a healthcare bill do not. Even the author of the reconciliation process is opposed to using it for this and he's a dem. I hope you all remember in November since it appears that will be our only chance to right this wrong.

The only people who are satisfied with the status-quo are the ones who happen to have decent insurance, as well as the insurance companies and government workers who have their hands in the ins. co.'s pockets, which are most Republican senators and representatives. They ARE the party of NO and always have been. A government option is just that; an OPTION!! It is the only way to keep the crooked ins. co. and government representatives from maintaining their hold on the people of this country. Our President knows what he's doing; let him do it!

I hope all of you Democrates are pleased with the personal agenda CHANGE your Obama is trying to shove down everyone throats!! If he passes this Healthcare bill, those of us who have company provided healthcare by a small business...you can kiss it good bye. PLEASE VOTE OUT ALL OF THOSE LAME CAREER POLITICANS IN NOVEMBER!

Absolutely NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How much more nonsense is Obama going to cram down our throats!!! He has got to be stopped before the working public is supporting every single lazy, good for nothing slob who won't work as long as we keep paying his way and supporting his family!!! Our soldiers are fighting and dying for our freedom!!! Yet Obama continues to take away our rights to decide about this obscene and ridiculous health reform bill that will be the death of all of us.

Let's just keep getting screwed by the insurance companies, who own us lock stock and barrel. Of course it should be passed by a simple majority. Up or down vote, as the Repubes used to cry when they wanted to scare off the Democrats from filibustering. Nearly every developed country has a single payer, government run health care system that is not bankrupting their citizens and is delivering better health care than we get. You people are brainwashed by Fox News, Karl Rove and right wing nut job senators who are on the payroll of the insurance companies. Pass the bill any way you can so my insurance stops going up 30% a year and I can get more than two minutes of my doctor's time when I see him.

as an American worker and taxpayer who does not have insurance through by employer and can't afford it, all I can say is something has to be done. Everyone is saying that if we listen to the Democrats/Republicans, we're screwed. Well, if we don't get some kind of national health care bill passed, then we really will be screwed!

No. It is very dangerous to pass such a controversial bill when so many people are against it.